Warrior Tang ([info]tangaroa) wrote,
@ 2008-11-17 22:02:00
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[info]zibblsnrt
2008-11-18 06:28 am UTC (link)
Uhhh, where are you getting "follows the Pope's orders" from? The church was pleased at the election, the priest's bishop flew off the handle at him for overstepping his authority, and the guy might himself get excommunicated in part for denying communion without cause.

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[info]tangaroa
2008-11-18 06:55 am UTC (link)
Back in 2004 when the Pope was Cardinal Ratzinger, he issued directions for churches to deny communion to John Kerry and his supporters for the same reason the South Carolina guy used.

I hadn't heard about the diocese denouncing the priest.

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[info]zibblsnrt
2008-11-18 07:14 am UTC (link)
Is that first site reliable? It's setting off my crackpot meters all over the place. The guy went and blessed the election results afterwards, anyway.

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[info]tangaroa
2008-11-18 07:33 am UTC (link)
I can't say if the text is accurate, but I remember the letter coming out during the campaign. Here is a Politico article referring to the memo and a conservative site discussing the memo in 2004.

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[info]zibblsnrt
2008-11-18 07:58 am UTC (link)
Hm. The Politico article mentions that the Vatican was inviting even pro-abortion Catholics to a mass. The article looks like a case of "the local diocese can excommunicate if it wishes," but he didn't seem to raise a fuss when the authorities in Mexico chose not to. American Catholics tend to be less, ah, doctrinaire in the first place, too.

And the article doesn't say anything that I can see about going after voters, just people who try to implement the policy.

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[info]tangaroa
2008-11-18 07:24 pm UTC (link)
It's an actions-have-consequences thing. Ratzinger's original order ran into a lot of opposition stateside and the subject was dropped after the election, and Ratzinger has become much more diplomatic since becoming Benedict. It's now a couple years later and the SC pastor who decides to deny communion has a doctrine supporting his position from the guy who is now the Pope. He's stretching it to make that argument, but he has something to stand on.

The diocese smacking him down makes a lot of difference. That should be a good step in burying the pastor's interpretation of the document.

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